Below is the version of the leaflet that has been produced for tomorrow's talk by Richard Murphy at Hautlieu School. We hope to see you there from 7pm onwards. I've never met the man, so I'm going along simply to see if he does actually have horns or not.
“JERSEY—MAKING FINANCE WORK FOR THE FUTURE”
When? Monday 24 January
Time? 7pm
Where? Hautlieu School Assembly Hall
Admission? FREE
Are you a concerned member of the public who wants to know why prices and taxes are going up? If so come and listen to Richard and ask him any questions you like. If you work in the finance industry, or the legal or accountancy professions, this is your chance to listen to an authority on tax and to consider the suggestions being made.
- IS JERSEY’S FINANCIAL FUTURE IN DANGER FROM THE ZERO- TEN TAX STRUCTURE?
- IS BEING A TAX AVOIDANCE CENTRE THE ONLY WAY?
COME AND HEAR ONE OF THE UK’S LEADING EXPERTS ON TAX AND THE E.E.C
RICHARD MURPHY
and Time 4 Change. Visit www.jdajersey.co.uk for more information.
How come this outsider is supposed to know more about Jersey and its tax system then the people like yourself who are supposed to be running it?
ReplyDeleteAnon, you are right to point out that even though Richard Murphy is an outsider, he knows more than the person who is supposed to be running things, aka Senator Ozouf. Of course, this is disturbing, but not surprising, because Mr Murphy is a qualified accountant and tax expert, however Sen. Ozouf is nothing of the sort. Thankfully we will benefit from Richard's expertise on Monday to see where the current lot are leading us astray.
ReplyDeleteMonty there are hundreds of qualified accountants in Jersey already.
ReplyDeleteYet few or none had the foresight to predict that zero-ten would not be compliant with the EU code of conduct.
ReplyDeleteLot of people there...........not!
ReplyDeleteour finacial future is bleak as all the immigrants that work here send all there money off the island so putting nothing back into the jersey economy at all.this needs to be stopped,instead of putting up gst,and takeing money off the poor to line the pockets of the rich
ReplyDeleteAnon, you raise a point which many seek to vocalise, however, it is simply not true to say that immigrants send all their money off island: anyone living here has to pay rent and buy food and other items. As all residents who have not been here 5 years cannot claim any form of benefits, even the GST food bonus - which was set up as a political sweetener to avoid food exemptions - so they even pay GST on their food, without getting anything back. Blaming immigrants really is missing the issue - cheap labour for the capitalists
ReplyDeleteThe 100 or so who turned out at the Richard Murphy talk must have made Constable Crowcroft delirious with envy. How can it be that an enemy of Jersey can attract a century of listeners, in an island well known for its political apathy, when the good Constable only managed to attract 4 people to his hustings, including one JEP reporter and a fellow politician? Is it really possible that Mr Murphy attracts 25 times a bigger crowd than our most popular constable?
ReplyDeleteyeah your right they do pay rent and buy food by they all share flats so they pay a tiny amount of rent and share the food bills,and undercut everyone else on the job front they work for nothing and are killing the locals work wise.immigration needs to be stopped and now before its to late.all you need to do is look at the uk where there are some places that are nearly all polish.they come here and there girl friends of wifes have a kid then they get all the benifits for that.
ReplyDeleteI liked it when Mark Thomas said "What happened to Trickle Down?" ......
ReplyDeletesee http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-01-26/
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A 100 people is pathetic concerning the way his visit was circulated and 12,500 people work in Finance Deputy. Besides I counted 67 and most of those everybody already knew.
ReplyDeleteNumbers can be deceptive. As Winston Smith said in Orwell's acclaimed 1984, 'Sanity is not statistical.' I doubt that Galileo had many who openly supported him in the 17th century, when he announced, correctly, that the planets went around the Sun.
ReplyDeleteSimilarly, Richard Murphy predicted i 2004 that zero-ten would not be compliant and that Jersey would be facing a deficit of £100m and he was correct.
Given a choice between Senator Ozouf and Mr Murphy, I know who has Jersey's best interests at heart - and it is not Millionaire Ozouf
Apparently ALL immigrants share flats and food and so pay little into our economy. Well, in these times of austerity, there resourcefulness can be a lesson to us all. Of course, these sweeping statements are nonsense and indicative of misplaced prejudice. The bottom line is that in Jersey, unlike the UK, one has to be 5 years here before being able to claim a single penny; so whilst immigrants do pay GST, Social Security and maybe income tax - as well as providing essential services (show me an economy that can run without Hotels, bars, chefs, skilled and 'semi- workers') they get NOTHING in return - apart from cramped living conditions and rationed food, if you would believe anon. Meanwhile, Jersey residents, who may never have contributed in any way (as well as those who have) can get handouts.
ReplyDeleteNo, the bottom line is, IF immigrants are living 5 to a room, then this is a problem to do with lack of regulation of rented accommodation, which favours unscrupulous landlords, and not the fault of immigrants themselves - who include Scottish,English, Irish, Welsh, French, Portuguese, Polish and many others.
I suspect that anon's comments are a thin veil for misplaced racism, and were he wiser he would realise that the nub of the problem is the market's desire for cheap labour and exploitation rather than the immigrants themselves, who are often very qualified or over qualified for the jobs.
Well Deputy Tadier if Richard Murphy's predictions are correct like you seem to think then £65 Million in savings and the jobs losses that go with it are only the beginning.
ReplyDeleteUnless of course you and your people think up an alternate income for the Island as quickly as possible?
If Senator Ozouf is a millionaire he is a self made one. Why is that a problem to you?
ReplyDeleteGutted I couldn't go to hear him speak, but on youtube there is a fantastic video of him being interviewed about his faith and finance. A really good watch that I recommend!
ReplyDeleteAnon, your premise that Senator Ozouf is a self-made Millionaire is incorrect. It is not a problem to me or anyone, per se, but when he and the Council of Ministers quite clearly are pursuing policies which are clearly beneficial to their own political and economic class interests, then there is a wider problem for Jersey.
ReplyDeleteIndeed, the £65 Million of cuts and the jobs losses are only the beginning if Sen. Ozouf and the Council of Millionaires carry on with their ravaging of the public sector which WILL have knock on effects in the private sector, as well as for the Jersey public.
ReplyDeleteOf course, genuine efficiency savings can and need to be made, but on the Education and Home Affairs Scrutiny Panel, I and my colleagues work closely with the Ministers of those two departments, and it is quite evident that not all the cuts can be made, and many areas of necessary policy and legislation - such as the discrimination legislation - are having to be put on hold due to lack of money. Many departments are UNDER-resourced as things stand. Home Affairs being a case in point. The idea that there is vast overspending under every stone is simply not true.
Alternatives are there, such as NO zero rate taxes for anyone; property taxes on second homes and on rezoned land which goes from being worth thousands to millions over night. But these are not actioned, as they are not in the interests of the wealthy.
When you say Zero rate taxes for anyone, do you mean even those who are presently below the income tax threshold earnings ?
ReplyDeleteIt is generally accepted in most civilised societies that you should tax disposabe income, rather than non-disposable income. This is why most places have some form of threshold for earned income. The point is that it cannot be right for multi-million pound companies to pay no tax here (or anywhere - as the Attorney General confirmed is the case) when individuals on modest incomes are paying 20% + GST.
ReplyDeleteDear Deputy Tadier, you state:
ReplyDelete"The bottom line is that in Jersey, unlike the UK, one has to be 5 years here before being able to claim a single penny; so whilst immigrants do pay GST, Social Security and maybe income tax - as well as providing essential services (show me an economy that can run without Hotels, bars, chefs, skilled and 'semi- workers') they get NOTHING in return - apart from cramped living conditions and rationed food, if you would believe anon."
One very important piece of the NOTHING we get is that we get no vote. Move house in Britain and you get added to the electoral roll immediately. How is the current 2-year qualification period (unless you're a 1.1.k) not gerrymandering?